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John Ramsden age of 69 in 1841 census suggest he was born ~1771/2
there is a christening 21st sep 1771 Wakefield father Henry, however non of his sons were called Henry.
the later christening on 20jun1774 at Wakefield has father John,
which is the name of his first son.
possible siblings found in All saints wakefield son/dau of John Ramsden
John            c.15oct1764 buried 30aug1772
James           c.20jan1766 buried 21sep1766
Joseph  george  c.04apr1768
Hannah          c.14sep1771 
John            c.20jun1774
Samuel          c.04apr1774

Eliza                      buried 04aug1771
However the marriage document show a James Ramsden as witness which is probably 
his brother or father, which would seem to discount the wakefield birth,
The original tree started 1911 listed himas John of  Huddesfield,
and there is a possible matching entry 5july1771 Huddersfield father william Ramsden.
So was first child named John after himself and the second CHILD William after his father?

Marriage 31st dec 1797, All Saints Wakefield, Ann Helm to John Ramsden



Original tree started 1911 began with the children of John Ramsden and Ann Helm, but the children are in different order to parish records, however this came from Ellen Pearson's memory and would probably not have included any children who died young.
Ellen was dau of Elizabeth ann Peason nee Ramsden Ellen's eldest sister Mary married Jesse Ramsden.
Census, IGI and parish records suggest that family records were not in chronological order
Best match christenings at East Ardsley St Michael's Parish Register
by John RAMSDIN/RAMSDEN of Wakefield parish.

Orig Tree
No dates     Parish Records                               Parents
             Mary             07 oct 1798                 Ramsdin
John         John             07 sep 1800                 Ramsdin
Benjamin     William          25 dec 1803                 Ramsdin 
William      Benjamin         02 feb 1806                 Ramsdin
             Jane           b.30 oct    c.15 nov 1807     Ramsdin         
             Thomas         b.17 nov    c.24 dec 1809     Ramsden and Ann
             Elizabeth Ann    b.        c.12 apr 1812     Ramsden and Hanh.(ann)* 
James        James            06 mar 1814                 Ramsden and Ann
Brian        Brian            24 sep 1816                 Ramsden ann Ann
Jessie       Jessie           16 may 1819                 Ramsden and Ann
* Elizabeth Ann born 12 jan 1812 source; Pearson family bible
John Ramsden's Will written 1841 only names specifically just 4 of his children;
William, Bryan, Jesse ,Benjamin, no mention of daughters or John Thomas james or jessie
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